Talk strings are a good place to practice your arguing skills

I guess you could almost call this particular blog, "random thoughts".

Talk strings can be interesting places to practice your arguing skills. Sure, there is a lot of toxic ad hominem hyperbole, but there is also some intelligence, candor and good will.

There are a couple of dozen pundits I like to read regularly, among them Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams. Both have a Ph.D in economics, and both attract a generally intelligent readership.

What follows is an excerpt from this week's Sowell column titled, "Too 'Complex'?: Part III."

Regarding continuity of logic, keep in mind that my posts were interspersed among hundreds, sometimes thousands of others.

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But 'The People' DID decide...

You say in your article:,

The biggest losers are not people who own property but people who have to pay higher prices because politicians make it harder for businesses that charge lower prices to come into the community".

But it was The People who elected these officials. And one of their stated objectives was to reduce the influence of the trans/multinational stores on local communities.

You want to see the takover of local communities by chain-stores then go to England where every city, town and village are clones of one-another.

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You also say:

"People have every right to indulge their emotions at their own expense... by people who pay no price at all for indulging either their own emotions or the emotions of the people who vote for them".

But you also say:

"Chain stores have been disliked for decades, at both local and national levels".

Mr. Sowell: Money is not everything in life. Loves, friendships and community ALL come with a price.

Obviously some people (myself included) ARE willing to pay a little more to keep my local community a living entity. That's the price WE THE PEOPLE decide to pay.

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Subject: hahahahaha

Lets all pontificate says: “Obviously some people (myself included) ARE willing to pay a little more to keep my local community a living entity.”

After decades of watching people advocate this kind of odiferous cr*p I have seen no support for it in actual practice. The greenies pushed for expensive hybrid cars and yet the first two years they were in existence only two were sold in my State.

Over and over again in polls people say they would be willing to pay more for green products (and other liberal causes) and over and over in practice they don't.

People are notorious liars in polls.

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LetsAllRelax --

"Obviously some people (myself included) ARE willing to pay a little more to keep my local community a living entity. That's the price WE THE PEOPLE decide to pay."

This is supposed to be a Republic, not a Socialist Democracy.

Therefore, when WE THE PEOPLE decide to take your property, we are NOT supposed to be able to do so. The property is supposed to belong to YOU.

There's nothing wrong with keeping your community a "living entity," so long as you aren't stealing your neighbor's property to do it.

"Money is not everything in life. Loves, friendships and community ALL come with a price."

Which has got absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic at hand.

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Now for the part I wrote, under one of my pseudonyms, "Gideon".

Gideon  Location: CO

Reply # 119


Date: May 19, 2008 - 11:08 PM EST

Subject: Me too, what Vic and Alby said!

I hope I'm not too late for the rumble!

Do you think LetsAllBeSelfRighteous understood what you said? Most "want to live off of somebody else's labor" socialists (aka "liberals") aren't sufficiently informed in history and economics to even understand why lovers of individual freedom HATE (yes that's the right word) socialism and group-think.

Alby, I almost always enjoy your posts, but you're killing me, boy! "Righties" doggedly insist on using words such as "constitution" and "republic". "Lefties" couldn't care less, and with some cause. As Thomas Jefferson well knew, there are ONLY two kinds of government, 1) you own yourself (and your labor and produce) and run your own life, and 2) somebody else owns your labor and runs your life for you. All the phony "isms" and "archies", including "republic", "democracy", "monarchy" are less than constructive in that they merely constitute a never-ending argument about how much of your inherent power and moral authority you are going to "authorize" (hence the generally misunderstood word "authority") the dominant members of the inherently evil and inevitably corrupting stupid-human pecking order called "government" to exercise over your life.

The old joke goes: a man asks a girl, "Will you have sex with me for a million dollars?" The girls says, "Yes!" The man says, "How about for twenty dollars?" The girl says "what kind of a girl do you think I am?" The man says, "We've already established that, we're just haggling price!”

By insisting on the word "republic", Alby, you're just haggling price. Meanwhile, the libs don't care because they don't know ALL One-Ring government is evil and anti-individual. They think “government” is wonderful and exists to give them “free” handouts made with somebody else’s stolen labor.

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Yessiree, Bob! Talk strings are an excellent place to organize your thoughts and talking points, and learn to articulate them quicker and more concisely in writing.

One talk string has a 150-word limit. Some have a limit on the number of characters you can use in your posts.

Most of the talk strings have censoring software which edits out what the editors presume to be problematic words. For the most part, they do a lousy job. All you have to do is break up the "buzz" word you want to use, say "idiot", to read "i-d-i-o-t", and your word will get through.

Some inexcusably filthy body-parts-and-fluids obscenities, posted by intelligence-challenged infantile cyber vandals, makes it through the software. But I haven't seemed to mind weeding my way through some stupid posts to get to the occasional great one.

Here are a few of the posts I made in the Obama vs. Hillary saga under one of my other pseudonyms, "Able Goodman"

Again, keep in mind that my posts were interspersed among hundreds, sometimes thousands of others.

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Able Goodman  May 19, 2008 10:10:19 AM

Here's the deal, all you wannabe-clever socialistic sophists, with all your manipulative ad hominem hyperbole: whether you like it or not, IT IS POSSIBLE to disagree with socialism and all other forms of totalitarian or autocratic collectivism, for the disastrous economics theories they are, WITHOUT actually being a "hater", "basher", "racist", "bigot", "homophobe", ad infinitum, ad nauseum. For all you socialism Kool-Aid drinkers, socialism = everyone competing against everyone else for the power to steal the "other guy's" labor (money) via taxation and put it into his own pocket. Nature itself is per se a free market, and the human individual has inherent free will and a survival need for self-ownership and self-determination, therefore socialism cannot possible work for the long run. Like blacks-as-chattel slavery, socialism will have to be POLARIZED before we can have another Civil War to get rid of it. So, yes, all freedom lovers HATE (and bash) anti-individual-freedom socialism.

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Able Goodman May 19, 2008 10:17:39 AM

I see this talk string has a 150-word limit. The rest of my previous post was: So, all you socialists (aka "liberals") with your wannabe-clever ad hominem hyperbole, please get it straight about exactly what it is freedom lovers hate and bash. But, then, if you had enough intellectual honesty, candor, and good will to do that, you wouldn't be the manipulative j-e-r-k-s you are, would you?

Able Goodman May 19, 2008 10:27:25 AM

Dear wannabe-clever manipulative ad-hominem socialist sophists (at least those of you who can read): PLEASE read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand, and "Animal Farm" and "1984" by George Orwell before you vote in November. Also read some of the brilliant libertarian economists such as Ludwig von Mises, Frederic Bastiat, Friedrich Hayek, Murray Rothbard, Thomas Sowell, etc, they might just change your life for the better! Any of the "Big 3" are guaranteed to send us spiraling farther into a New Dark Ages. Full disclosure: I believe W has destroyed the GOP. I have never voted for a Bush.

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Posted by Able Goodman on May 19, 2008 12:28 PM

The GOP can't match the charisma of an Obama-Edwards ticket, if the DEMS are smart enough to go that route. The main reason Dole II, er, McSame, is guaranteed to lose — and think about this for just a second, folks — is because no sane person can imagine his lifeless, plastic-perfect, erie, Steppford-Wife, Cindy as first lady. The very thought is bizarre. Michelle Obama is vigorous, "ballsy", up front, and full of life and charisma. Michelle kicks Cindy's butt. I say that as a libertarian-leaning GOP voter who is frustrated by the choices between 1) a DEM hardcore socialist who is a Change Clown, 2) a DEM fascist who lusts for power so she can rape her own country for her personal financial benefit, and 3) a DEM liberal pretending to be a too-old, senile, arrogant, abrasive, manipulative wattle-necked banty-rooster of a GOP "conservative". I would vote for Obama over McSame, just to get the RINOs out of the GOP. I would like to see Pat Buchanan run with Bob Barr on the Libertarian t

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Posted by Able Goodman on May 19, 2008 12:39 PM

Darn that pesky 150-word limit! The rest of my post was: I would like to see Pat Buchanan on the Libertarian ticket with Bobb Barr. Buchanan had bee 100% correct all along on NAFTA, GATT, the Iraq War, illegal immigration, the balance of trade, and the exporting of American jobs. That's why both the DEM and GOP fascist "globalist" establishments hate him so much. It would be Obama's empty charm (with Michelle as his corner/cut man) vs. Buchanan's impressive in-your-face bulldog brain power. That's a contest anybody should be willing to buy tickets to! McLame and Steppford Cindy are nowhere. Hopefully, McSame will pick another RINO like Lindsey "The RINO" Graham for Veep. Hopefully, the clueless Hillary chicks will not be such spoiled brats that they will vote for McSame. The Klinton Kool-Aid drinkers have never understood that Hill & Bill are a disordered and deadly divisive cancer on the American body politic, and hideous role models for America's children.

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Posted by Z4T4 on May 19, 2008 12:53 PM

@ Able Goodman: Your a Conservative and would vote for Obama? Well you better add liar to your list. You know what’s on top for the REAL Conservatives? (Like me) 1. Get rid of HOMELAND Security. 2.) Restore our guaranteed rights. (Like the habeas Corpus) 3) The Supreme Court Ruled in 1986 that cops can lie when investigating a crime. 4) The US Supreme Court Rules local Govt. Can now seize your home and not for a Hospital or School but for things like shopping malls and other "revenue generating" reason. 5) Outlaw the INCOME TAX..(Tax me on what I spend not on what I make but, we get shafted coming & going weather your BLACK or White) - NO MORE PATRIOIT ACT. Another communistic / NAZI tool..If your going to CLAIM to be something you better be prepared to back it up..OBAMA ain't no of that pal. Wake up

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Posted by Able Goodman on May 19, 2008 2:43 PM

Dear Z4T4: Leave it to a dim-bulb spinner like you to leave out my all-important word "over". Lying includes trying to make other people believe something other than the whole truth. So, when you speak of liars, just look in a mirror and you'll see one. My exact words were, and I quote, "I would vote for Obama over McSame, just to get the RINOs out of the GOP". The stupidity and lack of civility of you wannabe-clever major-party apparatchik lemmings are a significant part of what is wrong with the great American debate. That, and the toxicity of your mindless ad hominem hyperbole. At the end of the day, I will NEVER vote for any socialist, because I HATE (yes, that's the correct word) socialism, which is why I won't vote for McLame: he's a consumate manipulator (read liar) who's has a proven record of being more than willing to play footsy with socialism and socialists. Actually, if your reading comprehension skills were a little better, you would probably realize that I agree with

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Posted by Able Goodman on May 19, 2008 2:46 PM

Dear Z4T4: Bitten by the 150-word limit again! My last sentence was supposed to be: "Actually, if your reading comprehension skills were a little better, you would probably realize that I agree with much of the rest of your agenda." :-)

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Posted by Able Goodman on May 19, 2008 3:06 PM

Dear Z4T4: As long as I'm taking the trouble, actually, you're the one who should wake up. I've read some of the brilliant ad hominem other posters have directed at you, and you're in desperate need of help. You obviously know just enough to be dangerous. You are in desperate need of articulation lessons. You are on the right track (individual freedom), but a TOTAL bumbler when it comes to expressing your thoughts in writing with sufficient clarity and relevance to persuade others to agree with you.

If you want to start improving your education, read my essay "The Big Lie" on my website at http://johnwilkenson.com/?q=node/120. Then, compare the truth of Hepburn v. Griswold 75 U.S. (8 Wallace) 606 (Feb 7, 1870) with the revisionist-history lies of Legal Tender Cases (Knox v. Lee, Parker v. Davis), 79 U.S. (12 Wallace) 457 (1870) and Juilliard v. Greenman, 110 U.S. 421 (1884).

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Posted by Able Goodman on May 19, 2008 3:18 PM

Dear LooksLikeChicken:

I see you got a bit troll action, there.

The problem with socialists (aka "liberals") is that the huge majority of them are malcontented losers who have made bad choices in life, are failures, don't understand individual freedom, don't understand free markets, don't understand economics, and haven't read history. But they are thumb-s-u-c-k-i-n-g-l-y emotional and frequently personality disordered. Therefore, it makes them FEEL (as in "touchy feely") better to steal and redistribute the "other guy's" labor than to make a living off of their own labor. They don't know enough about history and economics to even be able to comprehend why self-owning, self-determining freedom lovers hate Big Brother and socialism. Because they resist all fact-and-logic-based attempts to educate them with mindlessly toxic ad hominem hyperbole, the only two courses of action left are 1) ridicule, and/or 2) total disengagement (ignore them).

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Posted by Able Goodman on May 19, 2008 3:38 PM

Dear whiney ad-hominem socialists (aka "liberals):

In the interests of helping you learn how to "feel good about yourselves", please be so kind as to read "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand, "Animal Farm" and "1984" by George Orwell, "On Liberty" by John Stuart Mill, "Human Action" by Ludwig von Mises, "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat, "The Road to Serfdom" by Friedrich Hayek, most anything by Murray Rothbard, and " Basic Economics: A Common Sense Guide to the Economy" and "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" by Thomas Sowell BEFORE you vote. These are just a few of the important thinkers who can help you become happier and more successful. You owe it to yourselves, your species, common decency and, yes, "tolerance" (woo woo!) too, to read these books before engaging in toxic ad hominem hyperbole against other human beings.

Sincerely (honestly!), your good friend (but God's first), Able Goodman.

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Posted by Able Goodman on May 19, 2008 3:41 PM

Dear Z4T4: See, THAT'S how ya do it — not the method you use, which gets you called names like "a waste of s-p-e-r-m".

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Posted by Aloha62 on May 19, 2008 3:51 PM

Able Goodman: Some of those books you mentioned, I read them in high school in my AP class.

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Posted by Able Goodman on May 19, 2008 4:02 PM

Dear Aloha62 and thall999: Thanks for the tip on Hillary's Sunset Blvd on You Tube! Absolutely HILLARYOUS (pardon the pun)! I really love Lisa Nova's work. What a talent. And what a BABE! No doubt most of the self-hating, ad-hominem-spewing major party apparatchiks wouldn't understand refined and skillful satire if it bit them in the b-u-t-t. For the benefit of internet newbies, the URL for "Hillary's Sunset Blvd" is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWaL1XnUPN0. I also loved http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3G-lMZxjo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqOHquOkpaU&feature=related, and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3tVcVcMXr4&feature=related. S-c-r-e-w Hillary, Obama and McCain: Lisa Nova for President in '08! Copy and paste the URLs, and have a good laugh, newbies!

JOHN'S RATINGS DISCLAIMER:

There are a couple of "buzz" words in "Hillary vs. Obama II" which are inappropriate for children (I'd guess PG), but, in my opinion, the intellectual value of the art significantly outweighed the very limited amount of profanity. I'm genuinely sorry if you should happen to disagree, but then it is my blog and I have to do what I think best. :-)

 


 

 

 

 



 

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